{"id":1888,"date":"2024-06-25T21:39:24","date_gmt":"2024-06-25T21:39:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/?p=1888"},"modified":"2025-11-04T19:55:10","modified_gmt":"2025-11-04T19:55:10","slug":"conversation-11-there-is-a-light-that-never-goes-out","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/ed-non-tech-conversations\/conversation-11-there-is-a-light-that-never-goes-out\/","title":{"rendered":"Conversation #11: There is a Light That Never Goes Out: An interview with AJ Hartley"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Hey, y&#8217;all! And howdy! And salutations&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In a month that&#8217;s had far more high-profile guests than I ever could have hoped to speak to&#8230; they don&#8217;t come much more high-profile, for my literary and academic dollar, than <a href=\"https:\/\/ajhartley.net\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">AJ Hartley<\/a>, award winning and bestselling writer of more than twenty-five mystery\/thriller, fantasy, historical fiction, and young adult novels!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">AJ is a talented, prolific novelist, and he jumps across genres, age groups, formats, and contexts for his work(s). You also have to know that he is <a href=\"https:\/\/coaa.charlotte.edu\/people\/andrew-hartley#:~:text=Andrew%20James%20Hartley%20is%20the,theory%2C%20theatre%20history%20and%20dramaturgy.\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Robinson Professor of Shakespeare, UNC Charlotte<\/a>&#8230; and that he holds the highly coveted position of professor emeritus! For the non-academics checking this out, this is basically rock star level stuff in the land of Higher Education!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">AJ was generous enough to spend some time on the EnT! We talked about the various awesome creative projects he&#8217;s been involved over his decades as a writer&#8230; including his latest project, a work of historical fiction entitled <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.ca\/Trinity-Novel-Tom-Delonge\/dp\/1943272433\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Trinity<\/a><\/em>&#8230; his latest in a series of ongoing literary collaborations spanning multiple formats with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.blink182.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">internationally-renowned musician<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/tothestars.media\/en-ca\/pages\/about\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">media founder<\/a>, and many other things&#8230; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/tomdelonge\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Tom Delonge<\/a>!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"The Ed non-Tech (EnT) convo 11: AJ Hartley\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/0Cae7FcICBc?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Will these technological interwebs marvels never cease? #ednontech<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"http:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/entconvo11audio.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Forty minutes to Mars! And other #ednontech!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"558\" height=\"820\" src=\"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Screenshot-2024-06-25-173532.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1889\" style=\"width:844px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Screenshot-2024-06-25-173532.jpg 558w, https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Screenshot-2024-06-25-173532-204x300.jpg 204w, https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Screenshot-2024-06-25-173532-300x441.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 558px) 100vw, 558px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-8f761849 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"652\" height=\"511\" src=\"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Screenshot-2024-06-25-173909.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1890\" srcset=\"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Screenshot-2024-06-25-173909.jpg 652w, https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Screenshot-2024-06-25-173909-300x235.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 652px) 100vw, 652px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"296\" height=\"399\" src=\"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Screenshot-2024-06-25-174524.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1894\" srcset=\"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Screenshot-2024-06-25-174524.jpg 296w, https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/Screenshot-2024-06-25-174524-223x300.jpg 223w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 296px) 100vw, 296px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"640\" height=\"350\" src=\"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/9ba4f10e1bb268bf912ac7814f9ab23da24c5a67.gif\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1902\" style=\"width:843px;height:auto\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Matt&#8217;s Notes<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Let me say that as an educator first and foremost, I was stoked to discover that AJ grew up in a household with teachers for parents! He has that in common with the inestimable Dr. Doug Reid, as a matter of fact! When I am looking towards what makes people creative&#8230; able to find modes of expression for nuanced thoughts, feelings, and wavelengths of various kinds&#8230; the home environment lands as major, surprising absolutely nobody! AJ is&#8230; among many of the things we discussed in the convo&#8230; a sort of career educator! To my way of thinking, there are few higher callings! And&#8230; for as long as I&#8217;ve been involved in this show&#8230; I&#8217;ve had to think in terms of education&#8230; and entertainment&#8230; namely my own (or OUR own, rather)&#8230; because the moment I&#8217;m not having a good time with this stuff&#8230; it&#8217;s done! I feel great when I hear from AJ&#8230; or our recent  <a href=\"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/ed-non-tech-conversations\/conversation-6-steal-it-all\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Atlantic Canadian novelist Chuck Bowie<\/a>&#8230; that they take the responsibility to entertain seriously! From my standpoint, that means they reward the reader for suspending their disbelief and for spending time in their worlds&#8230; with richness of detail, believable characters, and&#8230; crucially&#8230; showing profound respect for their audience in so doing!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-8f761849 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"TTS* Talks #14 - TRINITY: the novel w\/Tom DeLonge &amp; AJ Hartley\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/59qYmXagGHs?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I&#8217;ll end the personalish commentary here! It&#8217;s hard to explain how great it is to speak with somebody as deeply gifted and profoundly accomplished across multiple fields of artistic, scholarly, and cultural endeavor generally as AJ, and the many colleagues who inform his many collaborations both on the covers of his books and behind the scenes!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Knowledge, narrative, and punk rock are for the masses! Which is my semi-punk way of saying <em>it&#8217;s been a  slice!<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-8f761849 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"662\" height=\"1000\" src=\"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/71xpRh7PMvL._AC_UF10001000_QL80_.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1898\" style=\"width:373px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/71xpRh7PMvL._AC_UF10001000_QL80_.jpg 662w, https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/71xpRh7PMvL._AC_UF10001000_QL80_-199x300.jpg 199w, https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/71xpRh7PMvL._AC_UF10001000_QL80_-300x453.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 662px) 100vw, 662px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"267\" height=\"400\" src=\"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/sekret-machines-book-2-a-fire-within-9781943272419_lg.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1899\" style=\"width:372px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/sekret-machines-book-2-a-fire-within-9781943272419_lg.jpg 267w, https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/sekret-machines-book-2-a-fire-within-9781943272419_lg-200x300.jpg 200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 267px) 100vw, 267px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"650\" height=\"427\" src=\"http:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/STILL2-superJumbo-v2.gif\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1895\" style=\"width:878px;height:auto\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">AJ&#8217;s Pick<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-8f761849 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"ATARASHII GAKKO! - Pineapple Kryptonite (Official Music Video)\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/YD8VNZwN1mM?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Matt&#8217;s Pick<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Blink 182 - Another Girl Another Planet (HD VIdeo)\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/IFuCwe8YO6c?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">I feel like I know these dudes from somewhere&#8230; #ednontech<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><em>AJ, we are legit stoked you joined us! The others of you, well&#8230; you&#8217;re fine, too&#8230;<\/em><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"The Smiths - There Is A Light That Never Goes Out (Official Audio)\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/siO6dkqidc4?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Take me out tonight<br>Where there&#8217;s music and there&#8217;s people<br>And they&#8217;re young and alive<br>Driving in your car #ednontech<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"640\" height=\"640\" src=\"http:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/STILL2-square640-v3.gif\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1900\" style=\"width:872px;height:auto\"\/><\/figure>\n<\/div><div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_7293\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-1888-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/entconvo11audio.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/entconvo11audio.mp3\">http:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/entconvo11audio.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/entconvo11audio.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/?powerpress_pinw=1888-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/entconvo11audio.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"entconvo11audio.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Hey, y&#8217;all! And howdy! And salutations&#8230; In a month that&#8217;s had far more high-profile guests than I ever could have hoped to speak to&#8230; they don&#8217;t come much more high-profile, for my literary and academic dollar, than AJ Hartley, award winning and bestselling writer of more than twenty-five mystery\/thriller, fantasy, historical fiction, and young adult&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":1907,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[41],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1888","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-ed-non-tech-conversations"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1888","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1888"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1888\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2755,"href":"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1888\/revisions\/2755"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/1907"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1888"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1888"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1888"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}