{"id":1702,"date":"2024-05-31T04:57:21","date_gmt":"2024-05-31T04:57:21","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/?p=1702"},"modified":"2025-11-04T18:58:41","modified_gmt":"2025-11-04T18:58:41","slug":"conversation-4-learning-in-a-time-of-abundance-and-uncertainty","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/ed-non-tech-conversations\/conversation-4-learning-in-a-time-of-abundance-and-uncertainty\/","title":{"rendered":"Conversation #4: Learning in a Time of Abundance (and Uncertainty)! An interview with Dave Cormier"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Welcome to our latest in the EnT conversation series!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I am absolutely stoked that Dave Cormier agreed to join us for a conversation about his excellent new book  <em>Learning in a Time of Abundance<\/em> (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.press.jhu.edu\/books\/title\/12862\/learning-time-abundance\">John Hopkins Press<\/a>)!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Dave is, among many other things, Digital Learning Specialist with the Office of Open Learning at the University of Windsor where he handles a diverse range of responsibilities and clients.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I&#8217;ve been aware of Dave and colleagues&#8217; work for as long as I&#8217;ve been involved in the learning technology field&#8230; going on fifteen years at this point&#8230; as rowdy, and boisterous, and motley as that field can be&#8230; Dave has constantly been an advocate for teaching and learning approaches, especially in the e-learning sphere, that value inquiry&#8230; not accepting the status quo&#8230; to question everything&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Please check the media below to check out our discussion!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"The Ed non-Tech (EnT) Convo 4: With Dave Cormier\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/9w8hxPx661w?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">You can take the byes out of the bay, but not the bay out of the byes! #ednontech<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"http:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/EnTconvo4audio.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you wanted high-quality digital audio about high-quality online teaching and learning things&#8230; you&#8217;re probably in the right spot! #ednontech<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"540\" height=\"400\" src=\"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/tumblr_ad13320e519dceadc74a4bc86f6bacf9_2697ba8f_540.gif\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1710\" style=\"width:840px;height:auto\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Matt&#8217;s Notes<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Honestly, I&#8217;d prefer to let the conversation speak for itself&#8230; it&#8217;s hard to beat a chat with somebody as smart, incisive, and all-around knowledgeable about the micro- and the macro- within our&#8230; as mentioned&#8230; ROWDY professional and academic area&#8230; whether we&#8217;re calling that ed tech&#8230; learning tech&#8230; educational design&#8230; the New What Next&#8230; or what-have-you!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"757\" height=\"387\" src=\"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Screenshot-2024-05-29-200845.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1706\" srcset=\"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Screenshot-2024-05-29-200845.jpg 757w, https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Screenshot-2024-05-29-200845-300x153.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 757px) 100vw, 757px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">*This is from the Introduction of Dave&#8217;s book (Kindle edition)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">What I&#8217;ve appreciated about watching some of the public aspects of Dave&#8217;s career&#8230; whether conference presentation, online videos, academic papers, or blogs&#8230; is how committed he is to engaging fully with whomever he&#8217;s addressing&#8230; bringing in personal examples, using metaphors and approaches to communicating which invite thoughtful participation from people outside the field of professional educators&#8230; this ability is not as common as one might expect&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Much appreciation and respect to Dave for responding quickly via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/davecormier\/\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/davecormier\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">LinkedIn<\/a> and for his willingness to chat with us today! <em>Learning in a Time of Abundance<\/em> is a significant resource which we&#8217;ll be coming back to on the show in the coming weeks and months, for sure&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"836\" height=\"477\" src=\"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Screenshot-2024-05-31-013107.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1708\" srcset=\"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Screenshot-2024-05-31-013107.jpg 836w, https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Screenshot-2024-05-31-013107-300x171.jpg 300w, https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Screenshot-2024-05-31-013107-768x438.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 836px) 100vw, 836px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Another screenshot from Dave&#8217;s book that landed with me&#8230; uncertainty abounds! And has abounded!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"636\" height=\"356\" src=\"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/8AaJ.gif\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1711\" style=\"width:838px;height:auto\"\/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Resources via Dave \/ #ShrugCon<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Besides checking out the book, every\/anybody reading this should be sure to join the first <a href=\"https:\/\/davecormier.com\/edblog\/2024\/04\/12\/shrugcon-or-in-search-of-a-pedagogy-of-abundance-preparing-students-for-an-uncertain-future-present\/\">Uncertainty Conference<\/a>! It is, fortunately, online&#8230; and proposals are still being accepted!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/davecormier.com\/edblog\/\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/davecormier.com\/edblog\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Dave&#8217;s blog<\/a> has been running since at least 2006&#8230; it is a pretty amazing resource because it&#8217;s highly readable and also&#8230; it&#8217;s voluminous! It&#8217;s all recommended&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"717\" src=\"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Screenshot-2024-05-31-014748-1024x717.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1712\" srcset=\"https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Screenshot-2024-05-31-014748-1024x717.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Screenshot-2024-05-31-014748-300x210.jpg 300w, https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Screenshot-2024-05-31-014748-768x538.jpg 768w, https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Screenshot-2024-05-31-014748-850x595.jpg 850w, https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Screenshot-2024-05-31-014748.jpg 1322w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><em> Thanks to Dave for joining us for this conversation! And thanks to you for checking it out!<\/em><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Molly Tuttle &amp; Golden Highway - El Dorado (Live)\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/Sn2CHFpksfI?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_3394\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-1702-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/EnTconvo4audio.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/EnTconvo4audio.mp3\">http:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/EnTconvo4audio.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/EnTconvo4audio.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/?powerpress_pinw=1702-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/analogue-trope.ca\/podcast\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/EnTconvo4audio.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"EnTconvo4audio.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Welcome to our latest in the EnT conversation series! I am absolutely stoked that Dave Cormier agreed to join us for a conversation about his excellent new book Learning in a Time of Abundance (John Hopkins Press)! 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